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jenna: we have to go to d.c. first. that's where a lot is happening today. there is a high-stakes budget battle gripping washington. house lawmakers are getting set to vote on a short-term spending bill to keep the guest running gutting obamacare, setting stage for a partial government shutdown. we'll see what happens today. hi, everybody, i'm jenna lee. gregg: i'm gregg jarrett in for jon scott. the feds are set to run out of money at end of the month. that gives congress 10 days, not long, to vote on a continuing resolution, cr as it is known to keep the government up and running. jenna: wow, 10 days. the republican house putting the fight to the senate, voting today on a cr that would strip the health care law of all of its funding. here is majority leader eric cantor during a debate a short time ago. >> let's defund this law now and protect the american people from
the economic calamity that we know obamacare will create. americans back home are fighting for their families, and we in congress were sent to washington by our constituents to fight for them. they have put faith in their leaders to do what's right. jenna: bet you can guess what's next. democrats are refusing to to pass that resolution that defunds obamacare. here is nancy pelosi during this morning's debate. >> what is brought to the floor today is without a doubt, without a doubt, a measure designed to shut down government. it could have no other intent. its purpose is is clear. and if they, our colleagues on the republican side deny that, then they have no idea of the gravity of the situation to quote the music man, of the trouble that is contained in this resolution.
jenna: well now that we're all getting along, the president is promising to veto the resolution if it somehow makes its way through the senate. that is not expected. this bill is expected to be dead upon arrival. so here's where we are today, friday after 11:00 eastern time. wendell goler is live at the white house with all of this. >> reporter: warning the government shutdown would hurt the economy which readily admit is not as long as they would like it to be. they say holding the debt ceiling hostage, the trump card, which some republicans want could have an even worse impact. the president is likely to mention the threat to the economy at ford pickup plant outside kansas city where he is headed now. that added 50% more workers this year and plans to add many more next year. president's aides say a government shutdown would undermine that economic progress but house republicans say the bill they're passing today will give the senate a chance to defund obamacare which they say is also undermining the economy.
>> we've actually given them what they want because this bill is coming over to them and i know, and i support the fact that they're going to leave no stone unturned to stop this bill and to stop obamacare. >> that is a message to them, they better filibuster, right? >> listen they said they will do anything. i support that effort. >> reporter: that would mean senate republicans filibustering a house republican bill. and senate majority leader harry reid has made it clear he will strip out the obamacare provisions and send the changed budget back to the house anyway, leaving republicans there with the responsibility for avoiding a government shutdown at the end of next week. new york democratic senator chuck schumer says his party will not be divided. >> we're sending a strong message to the house, we will not blink. don't get it into your heads that we will. we won't. don't make it part of your
strategy that eventually we'll cave. we won't. we're unified. we're together. you're not. >> reporter: some senate republicans are troubled about heading down this road. tennessee's bob corker says he see as box canyon made. texas senator john cornyn warns a government shutdown will divert attention away from the president's policies which he case are the real problem. jenna. jenna: you said it so nicely, wendell. thank you very much. gregg: this cr as it is known causing some tension within the republican party. senators ted cruz, mike lee, marco rubio, pushing their conservative colleagues into the house into a corner urging them to risk a government shutdown over obamacare. now that house lawmakers are pursuing that very strategy, speaker boehner is challenging senate republicans to get the job done. >> obamacare is driving up the cost of health care, it is destroying millions of americans jobs. it's a train wreck.
it has to go. we've done everything humanly possible over the last 2 1/2 years to make our point and we will continue to make our point. >> senate republican say they agree with that. they don't think this is the vehicle. they think republicans will get blamed. >> guess what. we're having fight over there. we'll win the fight over here. time for them to pick up the mantle and get the job done. gregg: monica crowley joins us, fox news contributor. author of the what the bleep just happened. charlie hirt joins us a columnist for "the washington times." good to see you both. monica, i looked at three different polls today. they all say the same thing. that is as unpopular and it is, as obamacare is, they don't want the government shut down because of the defunding effort and moreover, if it does happen, they, by large margins will blame republicans, and they will side with the president. so why are republicans pursuing what is arguably a very destructive, unwise strategy? >> well, i would disagree with
that, gregg. actually, when you look at polling, this has been increasingly true over the last three years since obamacare was passed, the american people hate this thing. upwards of about 60% would like to see it repealed. gregg: they just don't want the government shut down over it. >> strategy by republicans is not government shut down. there is nobody on the government side saying we are interested in shutting down the government. that is absolutely not true. when they are saying is, here's a bill that funds every other aspect of government, except for this job-killing machine known as socialized medicine, known as obamacare. they will send to it the senate. harry reid will either kill it out right. what republicans are saying we want have a vote on this we want to force a vote and force democrats to either support grossly unpopular, the grossly unpopular law known as obamacare, or kill their signature legislation which we know is not going to happen. even if you don't get the full defunding which looks highly unlikely, i will grant you that,
gregg, even if you don't get that, you can leverage that at least a year-long debay which by the way the democrats would like to see. gregg: i think that may be where it is heading because this is what harry reid, the majority leader said. take a listen. >> any bill that defund obamacare is dead, dead. it's a waste of time as i said before. in fact i told the speaker that last week. i'm disappointed that he has decided from what i've heard he will move forward with full knowledge that it's a futile effort. there is simply postponing the inevitable choice they must face. pass a clean bill to fund the government or shut it down. gregg: charlie, where is the upside for republicans to chase this and isn't there enormous downside if indeed in the end the government shuts down? >> well i think that monica is right in pointing out that, what
will ultimately happen is, harry reid is going to strip out the defund part and it will go back to the house. house republicans will be facing choice of either approving what the senate is done or not approving. i can almost guaranty you they will probably vote to go ahead and keep the government open and approve of the new version of the cr without the -- gregg: goes to next deadline which is raising debt ceiling and defaulting on debt? >> that is a great fight for republicans. that they can make real headway on. you know, i'm all in favor of defunding or abolishing obamacare because i think it is a disaster but my problem with the strategy, and i love the authors of the strategy, and i applaud their efforts but it is just not going to work. it is going to fail. i would also like to make note that i, regret for the first time being in agreement withry reid on anything. gregg: monica, boehner didn't want to go this way. it smacks of political mumery, a
group of conservatives who may be held hostage by tea party constituents and other conservatives decided to go this route and can go back to the communities i tried, i really tried. we didn't have the votes. >> gregg, gregg, we have the american people on our side here. this is not just a rogue band of conservatives looking to shut down the government or do something nefarious, over 50%. 50 to 60% of the american people who are with them on it issue. this is a gimme on this. yes, we have a corrupt media will spin this that the republicans want to shut down the government and they will be responsible but don't surrender the nation to socialized medicine because you can't win the pr battle. you go out there, drive a stake in the ground. this is what you fight for. this is a job-killing machine. it will change the very nature of america. american's relationship with the government, you have to fight for what you believe in. even if you go down on this issue you continue to fight, you
punch through the corrupt media, with the truth, with the message and again, the jobs should be relatively easy because most of the american people are with us on this issue. no more obamacare. defund -- gregg: some in the republican party, charlie, maybe we're better off, midterm elections, allowing obamacare implemented, because more americans experience it once it is implemented, whether lost jobs or losing their coverage or higher premiums, they're going to be really angry and take it out at the polls? >> and i agree completely with everything monica said about the importance of fighting for this stuff but the fact remains that this is a political fight. as it stand now, the under the counts constitutional system the government is going to support keeping obamacare around. until we change the government. and the way we change the government is through elections. and so if, if this ploy that they're doing right now helps sell that case, then that's, then that is a --
>> remember, charlie, in 2010 going into that election, conservatives, republicans they fought over obamacare. they just didn't surrender to it an won in 2010. do it this time too. gregg: monica crowley, charlie hirt. good to see you both. jenna: we'll watch what happens in d.c. another big story today, first time in more than three decades the presidents of united states and iran, may, meet face-to-face. the meeting could happen as soon as next week at the u.n.'s general assembly. this cops as iran's president, hassan rouhani, a new president writes an op-ed piece brighting what he calls, constructive engagement with the entire international community. takeing a look at this, washington correspondent james rosen joins us with more. james? >> reporter: much of hassan rouhani's words are given open to platitudes, zero-sum game politics for win-win solutions constructive engagement that sort of thing. a trained lawyer and former
diplomat an defense official in his native country said quote, gone is the age of blood feuds. he portrayed his presidency as chance of new progress on nuclear issue. quote, i urge my counterparts meeting at the u.n. next week rouhani wrote seize the opportunity presented by iran's new election. i urge them to make the most of prudent mandate of prudent engagement that my people have given me and to respond to constructive dialogue. >> must see concrete action to back up the rhetoric. yesterday we welcome the release of 11 political prisoners which is a concrete action that we did welcome. so we hope that new iranian government will engage sub standively. >> reporter: iran denies it is building a nuclear bomb but western nations believe it is and the u.n. security council and the european union accordingly imposed ever tougher economic sanctions that hobbled iran's economy over last two years. to us, rouhani wrote, mastering the atomic fuel cycle and
generating nuclear power is as much as diversifying energy resource as who iranians are as a nation. demand for respect in the place in the world. without compromising the role, many issues we all face will remain unresolved. former cia analyst kenneth pollack is author of unthinkable, iran, the bomb and american strategy which he argues it would be less costly to try to contain a nuclear armed iran than to go to war to keep iran from going nuclear. >> there is certainly some members of the administration who really want to believe rouhani is the real deal. that he really wants to do a deal with us on the nuclear issue and most importantly that he can actually deliver the supreme leader. i think there are other people within the administration who hope that's the case but are somewhat more skeptical. >> reporter: the first round of new talks with the iranians will occur on the sidelines of next week's u.n. generally assembly sessions in new york, jenna.
gregg: the vote is still you know way but as you can see so far the magic number to pass this continuing resolution to keep the government going except for defunding obamacare seems to have passed the magical mark of 217. the leadership in the house is saying they do have sufficient votes to pass it once they cross the 217, up to total well beyond that, 222. so, but it is not official until they close the vote. and of course once this finishes, it goes to the u.s. senate. we'll keep track of it. jenna: some new outcry over what some call a pattern of failure in the government's security
clearance system. this is the company that performed background checks for washington shooter aaron alexis and nsa leaker eric snowden is currently under criminal investigation. molly henneberg is live with more on the story. >> reporter: that cop is u.s. investigations services or usis. it's a private company based in virginia, right outside of washington, d.c. and does about 45% of the government's background checks. that information is then passed on to various government agencies including office of person until management for further scrutiny to determine if and what kind of security clearance as person can get. usis put out a statement it did a background check of knave yard shooter aaron alexis in 2007. a spokesperson went on to say, we are contractually prohibited from retaining case information gathered as part of the background checks we conduct for opm. therefore we are unable to
comment further on the scope of any background check. missouri senator claire mccaskill wants the government, particularly the opn, office of personnel management to investigate the frequency and tour 6 thoroughness of background checks. she wrote a letter to the inspector general asking quote, whether and how mr. alexis's background investigations looked at misconduct and reported arrests relating to firearms in 2004 and 2010 and his arrest for disorderly conduct in 2009. she says alexis is the guilty one here. he carried out the shootings on monday but the loved ones of those who were killed and those who were wounded, quote deserve to know the answers to these questions. jenna. jenna: molly henneberg live in d.c. molly, thank you. gregg: again we're watching what is happening on capitol hill. it would appear that mem momentarily they will say the yeas have it to defund obamacare. let's listen.
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jenna: right now the white house is preparing for next week's u.n. general assembly in new york city and the possibility that we're hearing that the president may meet with the iranian president for the first time in decades. this comes as the iranian leader calls for working together with the world community to end quote, unhealthy rivalries. he did this in an op-ed piece in the "washington post" today but israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says, don't believe him. his office issueing a statement saying in part, one should not be taken in by rouhani's deceptive words. he said in the past how he deceived the international community with nuclear talks even as irrather than was continuing with its nuclear program. that from israel, our ally in
the region. the united states has not had formal diplomatic relations with tehran since 1979. in fact the last president to meet with iran's leader was jimmy carter in january, 197. however relations were severed less than two years after that meeting when a group of iranian students, let's be careful about that word, students, not exactly, stormed the u.s. embassy in tehran taking 66 americans hostage. 52 of them were hold for more than a year as you know. joining us now, elliot abrams, former deputy national security advisor for the middle east to president george w. bush. so what do you think, elliot? a meeting between the president? is now a good time? >> not really. i mean all we have the iranians is fancy words so far. the tone has changed but they haven't actually done anything. and remember, rouhani is not president obama's equal. the ayatollah khomeni is guy
running things, the supreme leader. so they're not really equal. jenna: that's a good point. we don't want to imply from what we know from our own politics to president in other countries is not always the case. >> right. jenna: i was looking at rouhani's editorial. this is one part of it. he says the international community faces many challenges in this new world, terrorism, extremism, drug trafficking, seibcybercrime and cultural encroach mane. how many of these things is iran guilty of themselves? >> good question. everyone of them starting with terrorism. the u.s. government says iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world. jenna: that holds true today, right? so if the president was to meet with the president of iran would be knowingly meeting with one leader in a country that we designated as a state sponsor of terror. >> that is exactly right. this is a country that kills lots of americans this is a country who has troops right now in syria fighting on behalf of the assad regime.
we tend to sort of push that aside as we focus on the nuclear issue. jenna: how do you think our actions in syria and what is happening there is impacting this editorial, what we might see next week and the way forward with iran? >> i think it weakens our position and that's a really unfortunate thing. we want to negotiate a deal that gets rid of iran's nuclear weapons. the only way they will do that, they don't want to, to get rid of their nuclear weapons program. they want to get nuclear weapons. they need to be under pressure. the pressure is off because of syria. there credible military option now. people think that president obama blinked on syria and if he blinked on syria he will certainly blink on iran. so this is a moment when the iranians may feel they can go into negotiations and get a lot from us because we will be in a weak position. that's my fear. that we're going to do a deal that actually lets the iranians continue with their nuclear program. that's what we need to avoid. jenna: it is interesting the president used the word weaponnization of nuclear power when it comes to iran.
that is not what he wants to see but that's a very key term, saying weaponnization of nuclear power is not what we'd accept but other things. why is that? why do we need to pay attention to the word there? >> for one thing we need to know whether we will permit them to get nuclear weapon capability. they will be one turn of the screw away from geting a nuclear weapon of the we need to get them to back far away from a nuclear weapons program. no more spin of centrifuges. no more modernizing centrifuges. no more adding new ones and enriching uranium. we could envision a deal. but the question is whether iran despite the fancy word in "the washington post" whether iran is willing to do that kind of deal or think it is can take advantage of us now. jenna: you look at the world's problems it would be great to snap our fingers and have it all disappear. iran is example of that. we've done so many segments over the years. you talked about it, elliot, quite a bit how to deal with
iran. in an idea situation where negotiations could work what would that even look like to us? what would successful negotiations be at this point? >> a successful negotiation would be one in which exchange for our slowly but steadily removing sanctions iran would give up its search for a nuclear weapon. it would stop enriching uranium. stop adding centrifuges. stop trying to go the other route which is the plutonium route. stop building experimenting with building warheads so they would be further away from a nuclear weapon instead of getting closer and closer every month. the problem is we did a deal with russia on syria that's a mess. we did the deal. it is already unraveling. looks like it can't be implemented. our leverage has been reduced because we blinked at the moment of using military force. jenna: we only have 30 seconds. what would be the leverage for iran to get the measures you
just mentioned. >> we ought to keep the sanctions. we ought to try to increase the sanctions because they are hurting the iranian economy. jenna: that is interesting. we're seeing force from the sanctions. people lift their foot from the pedal a little bit on it as they start to see movements in iran. we'll keep an eye on it. elliot, always great to see you. >> thank you. gregg: gregg: a shining example of president's campaign of obamacare now blaming that very law for major budget cuts. we'll have a live report from the cleveland clinic exactly what is going on here. the woman known as "hiccup girl", on trial for murder. now a major blow to her defense. coming up we'll let you hear the evidence that the judge has allowed the jury to hear. [ female announcer ] can it get any cleaner?
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gregg: dramatic events on capitol hill. the house has pass ad bill to defund obamacare but keep the government running through december 15. mostly along party lines. here is the speaker john boehner. >> president said if you like the health insurance policy that you have you can keep it. well we found out that is not quite accurate either. and in the coming months millions of americans will find out that is just not quite true. listen, this this is hurting our constituents and hurting the american people at a time when the economy is barely eking along, wages are not increasing,
new jobs are not available. what are we doing? we're putting more cost and inconvenience on the american people. it is time for us to say no. time to stop this before it causes anymore damage to american families and american businesses. you got businesses all over the country who are not hiring because of the impact of this law. you've got other businesses that are reducing hours for their employees because of this law. and so our message to the united states senate is real simple. the american people don't want the government shut down and they don't want obamacare. [shouting] [applause] >> they -- [applause] the house has listened to the american people. now it is time for the.
>> senate, united states senate to listen to them as well. quickly. [cheers and applause] gregg: speaker john boehner surrounded by fellow republicans in the house moments ago passed the continuing resolution to keep the government funded through mid-december. but importantly, was the key, it defunds obamacare. the vote was 230-189. one republican voted no. two democrats voted yes. it goes to the u.s. senate where there are a great many challenges but the latest indications suggest there simply are not enough vote foss the same passage there. so we're going to continue to follow what is happening, jenna? jenna: as we've been reporting house lawmakers approving measure to keep the government running while approving obamacare. for republicans to avoid a partial government shut down. the democrats call the cr dead on arrival. meantime we are learning the cleveland clinic which the president used to help make his
case for health care reform is blaming the law for some $300 million in budget cuts. our mike tobin is live in cleveland with more on this part of the story. mike? >> reporter: and specifically, jenna, the cleveland clinic is going to slash $330 million from its budget next year to accommodate a number of factors including the implementation of affordable care act and that will mean layoffs. the ceo of clinic will try everything they can to before layoffs. leave jobs open. early retirement to 3,000 employees. ultimately here people's largest employer will learn they are losing their job and he says this is a trend that will continue across the nation. >> this is something that is going on all across the country and every ceo of a hospital that i have talked to is talking about doing exactly the same thing. >> reporter: now jay carney said yesterday that he was unaware of the specifics here in cleveland but he is said there is no hard and fast evidence that says the implementation of the affordable
care act is causing hospitals to shed jobs. dr. cosgrove, the ceo here disagrees. he says the affordable care act does nothing to bring down the costs of operateing a hospital or treating a patient. it only brings down the amount of revenue the hospital gets for treating that patient. jenna? jenna: mike tobin, live in cleveland. mike, thank you. gregg: developing stories right now we're following as a night of violence rocking chicago. 13 people were wounded in a late night shooting attack at a park, leaving three victims in critical condition includeing a three-year-old boy. coloradoians finding heartbreaking dejust as they get a first look at lyons a small town heavily damaged by deadly flooding. people were also briefly allowed into their homes yesterday to retrieve what is left of valuables. fans across the country yes, i didding in long lines for the latest gadget from apple, the
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jenna: new next hour, new guidelines for doctors treating cancer patients with chemotherapy. we have revamped calculations that could save lives. we'll ask him how to that be applied to other diseases as well. obama administration rolls out tough new limits on pollution from coal-fired plants. critics say that will raise
energy costs. we're live in washington. new reaction of blunt remarks by the pope on divisive issues like abortion and gay rights. what some have to say about it coming up in a live report. gregg: here is a case we've been following all week. the case resting its case this morning in the murder trial of the florida woman known as the "hiccup girl." this after prosecutors presented some very damaging evidence yesterday. a phone call that jennifer mee made to her mother after she was arrested that the defense fought hard to keep jurors from hearing that recording and it is easy to understand why. take a listen.
gregg: shannon griffin was shot and killed in 2010 and in what appears to be a robbery gone wrong. raiford was convicted to murder and sentenced life in prison. lamont newton, mee's then boyfriend is going on trial. let's bring in former federal prosecutor, fred tecce and brian silver. defense tried to keep it out, ambiguity, prejudicial, the judge says no, probe byvalue outweighs that. right decision and how damageing? >> i don't blame the defense for trying to keep it out. it was basically a wooden stake through the heart of defense. this is conspiracy case. you have to know she knew it would happen and took one step furtherance in that and the tape establishes that. it was the right decision, in order to keep evidence out, unduly prejudicial it has to have no probative value and so prejudicial to inflame the jury
to make a decision on emotion. it didn't do that. it had probative value. it showed she was a knowing participant in the conspiracy. i don't blame them for keeping it out but it was the right decision to let it in. gregg: she confessed to planning the robbery to a detective but the defense has a very interesting take on this that might avoid felony murder and that is, wait a minute, yeah there was a robbery that was planned but the victim was not killed during the robbery but during sort of a sex act that had gone wrong and there is some evidence of that. >> well, not only that, you know, and i agree by the way with fred, the tape is absolutely admissible but it does not make the case for the prosecution because in that taps that she quote, set the whole thing up. and the whoa is, what did she set up? that has to be tied up later on when the detectives claim that she admitted to during a detective interview that this was a about a robbery and my question is as a defense
lawyer was, was that a recorded interview? because if it wasn't it is the detective's word against her word. she can always come back and say now that the defense case is coming on this was about a 19-year-old kid setting up a pot deal. if that is what the jury believes they will have greater sympathy on her than if it was a robbery. gregg: what about that, fred? after all she has been diagnosed as schizophrenic, at least defense attorneys claim that. turret's syndrome which led to national media attention for her constant hiccups. she has got i.q. deficiencies. could all of that have diminished her capacity to understand what was going on in that detective interview? >> the short answer to your question is no. unfortunately for "hiccup girl" she doesn't have brian defending her but she has somebody else. at the end of the day, you have to remember this, gregg. she admitted that she set up pot deal, okay?
it is reasonably foreseeable when you set up a crime, back then was probably illegal but nowadays may not be, when you set up drug deal like that it could go wrong. even if her story is believed it will not get her off the hook. all these criteria you mentioned are relevant and relevant for sentencing ultimately she knows right from wrong. gregg: her i.q. and mental state, brian, how do you see that evolving to her benefit, if at all maybe during the punishment phase if she is convicted? >> i agree at this point in the case it would be absolutely a sentencing issue. as defense lawyer if i was representing her. >> unfortunately for her. >> thank you, fred, i appreciate the compliment. if she does not have the mental capacity to wave her miranda rights and talk to these cops without an attorney present, then those statements can't come in. that should have been done before trial. >> you about the prison ones do come in. so, miranda doesn't matter --
>> i agree with that. gregg: therein is the rub. all right, fred tecce and brian silber, thanks very much. >> thank you. >> thank you, gregg. jenna: on a different note here, food is necessity, right. gregg: got to have a long hot dog. jenna: even the players get a little hungry. those games are long. watch this. >> popped up. shallow right field. long run her for infawntae. and prince can't get there. he was closest. did prince just grab a nacho? >> i didn't see it. >> i think he took somebody's nachos. >> he is chewing on something. gregg: look at the size of prince fielder. had more than one nacho in recent history. >> the tigers ended up winning. maybe works for them. you need a snack in middle of those games. i prefer dodger dog. foot-long dodger dog.
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killing 32 people. now the most expensive salvage operation in history is taking place. discovery channel captures the story inside raising the concordia. it is airing tonight, 10:00 p.m. eastern on the discovery channel. richard burke, the discovery channel's marine salvage expert. he was on site while the ship was raised earlier this week. what was that like, richard? >> it was an amazing experience. it really was. you really had to sort of pinch yourself to realize you were looking at it as it was actually happening. jenna: we have the time-lapse video so we can see it quickly all at one time. could you notice the changes if you were seeing it with your own eyes? >> in the beginning it changed very slowly and you really had to look hard for cues that the ship was in fact rotating. but what they were doing, as they were proceeding, very carefully according to their plan, so that as the ship came up right they kept it under control. and control was essential here. jenna: that ship is really big. , bigger an the titanic.
about three-foot ballfields in length but why did it take so long to get this thing up right? >> the island of gilio is essentially a mountain. the bottom of the mountain is 350 feet down at the bottom of the see. so the costa concordia if it started to slip would have slipped right down the mountain and then it would have been an environmental disaster. so -- jenna: wouldn't be able to get to it? >> wouldn't be able to get to it. jenna: i didn't know that. >> the other thing, to turn it up right they need ad flat place for it to land. that's why they built the platform so there was a flat place for the ship to sit when it was up right. jenna: not until spring of next year will they be able to get the ship out of the area into the salvage yard where they can start taking it apart. why can't they start moving it faster? >> are two reasons. now they have more preparation to do. they have not been able to work on the starboard side of the
ship. and those big things you see on the side of the ship, similar sponsons have to be installed on the starboard side as they are on the port side. the other thing, weather gets bad over the winter. jenna: of course that is a factor in some stories not only this one. quick question for you as an expert. is this evidence that these cruise ships have just gotten too big? that the ships that are out there are just, too much of a liability? because if something like this happens or lose power like we're seen in a few different stories it become as huge situation to handle? >> i think the, you know, the cruise industry has done everything it can to operate safely. they, they, safety to them is really an obsession but every time there's an event of course it really looks bad. ships are not supposed to run aground and, this one ran awe r aground that for reasons that will be determined and watch and see. the industry will do at love
things to change, to make sure that this doesn't happen again. jenna: do you like cruises? are you a cruise ship sort of guy? >> i spend a lot of time at sea, you know what? it's not pleasure for me. jenna: i was just curious after all of this if that is where you choose to go on vacation. richard, nice to have you. thank you very much. we look forward to the special, 10:00 p.m. eastern on a discovery. thank you very much. gregg? gregg: the threat of government showdown and a shutdown as well, looming just 10 days away. house lawmakers today serving the very first volley in this contentious fight over how to keep it running. coming up, the latest on their efforts to tear down obamacare. and, some new developments we're following in syria as president assad reportedly follows through on the first of many steps in a deal to hand over his chemical arsenal. will he really do it? a live report straight ahead. [gunfire] ♪
gregg: an obamacare showdown on capitol hill pitting the house against the senate. welcome to a brand new hour of "happening now," hello, everyone, i'm gregg jarrett in for jon scott. jenna: are you getting a little déjà vu? [laughter] hi, everybody, i'm jenna lee. great to see you on a friday. republicans in the rouse are voting to derail -- in the house are voting to derail obama withcare. the fight centered on a stopgap funding measure could set the stage for a government shutdown. those are the stakes today. our chief political correspondent, carl cameron, is live on capitol hill with more on this. so the house passed the bill, carl. what's next? >> reporter: well, you nailed it, it is a showdown over the shutdown, and democrats have been so adamantly against this. the vote was 230-189. some republicans are actually claiming it's bipartisan because two democrats actually did vote for the continuing resolution to vote to keep government open,
but one republican also voted against the measure itself. it was short, only about an hour and a half, two hours' worth of actual debate and then the vote. house minority leader eric cantor summed it up from the republican side. >> let's defund this law now and protect the american people from the economic calamity that we know obamacare will create. >> reporter: republicans say it's simply a matter of negotiation, and the president should be willing to compromise on obamacare, a law that passed without any republican votes mt. congress a few years ago -- in congress a few years ago. democrats say it's republicans and the house majority of the gop that wrote this legislation with the obamacare defunding in it, and that's what could cause the shutdown. this is nancy pelosi, the house democratic leader. >> what is brought to the floor today is without a doubt, without a doubt a measure designed to shut down government.
>> reporter: so the democrats say the republicans are trying to shut down government because they want to defund obamacare, republicans say democratics won't compromise on a piece of legislation that no republican voted for. jenna: so, carl, the democrats control the senate, we know that, and say they're not going to vote to defund obamacare, so is that the end of this resolution? >> reporter: no, because there's always a way of getting around the rules in the senate. all the rules can be relegislated by the guys who break them, so there are a handful of tea party conservative republicans in the senate that have been saying for some time and pressuring house republicans to go forward with this continuing resolution to defund obamacare and do a couple of other things. and so the question is whether mike lee, rand paul, ted cruz of texas, marco rubio of florida and a handful of others who have been pushing hard for this language in the legislation to come forward, whether or not they'll actually filibuster any alternative. if the house bill comes to the floor and is brought up,
republicans will vote for it, but harry reid, the democratic leader, could potentially pull a little bit of sort of legislature maneuvering as the majority leader and make it difficult for republicans to do anything else but filibuster alternatives which is to say if they don't defund obamacare, a handful of republicans could try to shut down the senate. that's next week's standoff, so the showdown over the shutdown will continue, jenna. jenna: i'll keep that phrase many if mind. [laughter] carl, thank you very much. appreciate it. it'll be an interesting few weeks. now for some context on how americans feel about the health care law, the latest fox news poll shows the majority, 54%, want to go back to the system in place back in 2009 meaning without the health care law. 35% want to leave the new law in place. in the meantime, 43% are very concerned about their health care under the new law. 25% are somewhat concerned, less than a third are not very concerned or not concerned at all, but, gregg, it's worth pointing out notually seen the law yet because it's
supposed to be implemented over the next couple of weeks, so it'll be interesting to see if anything changes. gregg: threats of a filibuster, a veto and a government shutdown, ending in a high stakes showdown as conservatives continue their push to tear down obamacare. let's turn to ab stoddard, associate editor and columnist for the hill. i want to pick up on what carl cameron was talking about. even ted cruz admitted he doesn't have the votes in the senate, he'd need all republicans plus five democrats. what happens when this now-passed bill goes to the senate? >> well, i think as carl and others have described, we are amendmenting that senate majority leader harry reid will find a way to strip the defund language out and send a continuing resolution back. any differences at that point will have to be hammered out between democrats is and republicans. democrats and republicans.
unless john boehner, the house speaker, wants to send another one over to the senate again, forcing the issue one more time. that pushes us closer to this deadline of september 30th, and it hastens a government shutdown. at this point i am told by republican sources on the house side, john boehner is not interested in tempting a shutdown. he continues to say publicly he doesn't want to shut the government down, and he's attempted he's going to work with democrats ultimately to pass a cr and get us on to the debt ceiling debate -- gregg: which brings us to the next deadline which is raising the debt limit which would be the middle of next hospital month. so, essentially, two weeks after the october 1st deadline. now, what about that? >> well, that's where people like john boehner, the house leadership and many republicans, particularly on the senate side and a majority on the house side, want to have the fight over obamacare, gregg. they want to ask the administration in exchange for raising the debt ceiling for a one-year delay for the individual mandate, you know the
administration gave employers, businesses a one-year delay, and they're going to ask in exchange for a raise in the debt ceiling an increase to delay that individual mandate. and that's where john boehner wants to take the fight on obamacare, not on the bill to keep the government operating. so today was a show vote, it was a way to give conservatives what they wanted and put it back in ted cruz's backyard. it's not going to succeed, and we expect they'll find a way with democrats to keep the government open in order to move this fight off another few weeks. gregg: well, how would you handicap then the second deadline with instead of funding a delay to the individual mandate? i mean, how do you see that happening? >> well, it's interesting, gregg, you know, president obama continues to say i'm not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling which is pretty laughable at this point. last time they tried to get through a debt ceiling fight it created a supercommittee which failed, it created a sequester, now people want to roll that back. so there is going to be something, some give and take,
some exchange and some negotiating. i think it'll be very hard for the administration to say no to a delay in the individual mandate because they've given one to business, to everybody's bosses. why not to the anxious consumer? but at this point what you're hearing from democrats is they want to roll back the sequester, they're not going to negotiate on obamacare, and they think they're going to get what they want. i think that's, obviously, not realistic. gregg: in the last hour we talked about a bunch of poll, all of which say they don't like obamacare, but they don't want the government shut down over it. >> right. gregg: on a defunding measure. interestingly, when you ask people about a delay of the individual mandate, they like that because there's a certain fairness that's attractive with that. big businesses got a delay but not individuals? >> right. and i think that's why that's going to put the president in a corner. is he going to actually default on the u.s. debt? is he going to downgrade our credit rating again and rattle global markets over a one-year
delay over the individual mandate? gregg: right. >> you have in every poll consumer ignorance, consumer anxiety the city, and as you pointed out -- anxiety the city, and as you pointed out, a gift to the businesses who employ workers, why shouldn't they get another break. so i think it is a better political position for the republicans to be in than the one they're in now over something they can't do, and can they really shouldn't shut the government down. gregg: a delay would arguably help the white house because "the wall street journal," big story today, they say the pricing software on the exchanges doesn't even work which will affect 32 million americans in 36 states. i mean, already it seems like the obama administration could use that delay to try to fix autoproblems. a.b. stoddard, thank you so much for explaining the procedures and how you see this thing going. appreciate it. >> thank you. gregg: you can get much more information on obamacare and the budget fight at our brand new web site, fox news first, check it out online.
go online to foxnews.com/foxnewsfirst. and senator ted cruz will talk about his efforts to stop obamacare on "your world" with neil cavuto today, 4:00 eastern time. so check it out right here on the fox news channel. jenna: we have all that going on with the budget, what's going to happen with the debt ceiling as well, but we also have news overseas. the syrian government today is reportedly following through on the first part of an agreement brokered between the united states and russia making an initial declaration outlining its chemical weapons stockpile, the stockpile they said they never have. now they do. the goal is to destroy all the chemical weapons by the middle of next year, 2014. this as opposition forces are now dismissing calls for a cease fire by the assad government at an upcoming conference in geneva calling it, quote, an effort to confuse the international community. leland vittert is live in our mideast bureau with more.
>> reporter: really this attempt by the assad government to lay out what their chemical weapons stockpiles actually are is trying to move the ball down the road a little bit in terms of keeping the conversation away from who actually used chemical weapons back during that august sarin gas attack that killed so many inside damascus. the syrians, of course, say it was the rebels, most of the international community say it was the government. that debate is largely academic as syrians keep living up to their obligations under this deal. meantime, the civil war continues to rage on. more than 150 people are killed every single day inside syria as that fighting goes on. the deputy prime minister there made a very surprising statement today to "the guardian" newspaper, saying the war had reached a stalemate, the rebels weren't going to be able to push farther into cities, at the same time, the army hasn't been able to recapture a lot of the frontier land. the deputy prime minister then
talked about possibility of a cease fire. it's seen as a little bit of a trial balloon to see how the international community will look at that. but you have to look at this with a little bit larger prism, especially as it relates to the rebels themselves. day by day it appears there is more in-fighting between the rebels primarily between the largely secular rebels, the free syrian army that is supported by the west and then on the other side better-equipped, better-armed al-qaeda rebels making it a choice between bad and worse inside syria. back to you. jenna: leland vittert deliver in jerusalem, thank you -- live in jerusalem, thank you. greg greg the agency that's supposed to be committed to the well being of men and women in uniform under fire, and lawmakers demanding answers after tragic deaths at va hospitals. we'll tell you about it. and the pope's remarks on abortion and gay marriage sending shock waves throughout the world. the reaction and the debate. and a challenge that millions of americans face having to feed yourself on $4.50
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gregg: the agency that's supposed to be committed to the well being of men and women in uniform be now under fire. haw makers are demanding answers amid allegationses of widespread mismanagement and and of inadequate care that led to the tragic death cans at va hospitals. jennifer griffin live at the pentagon with more on this. >> reporter: well, the department of veterans affairs says it has reduced record high backlog disability claims by 25% since march 2013, and it is celebrating. but fox news has learned the va was already celebrating long before the problem was fixed, paying out tens of thousands of dollar cans in executive bonuses to va managers, many of whom
oversaw the most egregious examples of mismanagement that in a case of a legionnaire's outbreak at a va pittsburgh facility led to at least five veteran deaths. according to the house veterans affairs committee, diana rubens with, the va executive in charge of the nearly 60 offices that process disability benefits compensation claims, they collected $60,000 in bonuses while presiding over a near-sevenfold increase in back hog claims. in philadelphia, the director of the regional office received a $23,000 bonus in twfn despite doubling the backlog from 2010-2011. after a deadly legionnaire's outbreak in pittsburgh, va regional director michael moreland collected a $63,000 bonus, that's just one example of over clash 573,000 in bonus checks paid out to va officials who oversaw record highs in
backlog claims or serious instances of hospital-borne diseases. and more than 1800 veteran patients of the st. louis va medical center may have been exposed hiv and hepatitis as a result of unsanitary dental equipment. the st. louis facility's director received nearly $25,000 in bonuses during her four-year tenure there. at a recent emotional hearing in pittsburgh with congressmen from the house veterans affairs committee, the undersecretary for the va, dr. robert pets el, who handed out those bonuses to the va director who oversaw the legionnaire's deaths, was asked if he had any regrets. >> if you knew then what you knew now, what know now, would you recommend him for this award? >> i would. >> reporter: fox news has also learned that since 2003 until july of this year, the va has paid out nearly $1 billion in the malpractice settlement awards. that money didn't come of of its budget, it came out of the
treasury, more of your tax dollars. gregg: jennifer griffin, thanks very much. jenna: well, you don't hear very often, a millionaire learning to live on much, much less, spending less than $5 a day for a week on food. we're going to talk to the ceo of panera bread. you know that, right, gregg? gregg: oh, my daughters love pa anywhere rah. jenna: 800 stores around the country, and the ceo decided he was going to see if he could live on minimal none. he's going -- money. he's going to tell us what his week has been like. plus, the fed setting new standards for a major energy sector. why there's concerns it may cost jobs and send fuel prices through the roof. hey linda! what are you guys doing? having some fiber! with new phillips' fiber good gummies. they're fruity delicious! just two gummies have 4 grams of fiber! to help support gularity! i want some... [ woman ] hop on over! [ marge ] fiber the fun way, from phillips'.
gregg: welcome back. tea party conservatives in georgia now joining environmentalists to push for solar power. be the group aims to battle big energy and overregulation while providing consumers with more p. john roberts live from atlanta with more on this. hi, john. >> reporter: good morning -- good afternoon, gregg. you'd with hard press -- be hard pressed to find a stranger set of bed fellows, the tea partiers and the sierra club to prop up solar power. to provide electricity for all of the customers in georgia. they are introducing a bill in the legislature that would allow third party companies to set up solar panels or solar farms and sell electricity directly to consumers. it's an issue of property rights and free markets. >> let all energy compete on a level playing field in the marketplace. isn't that what conservativism
is all about? free markets, innova vision, freedom -- innovation, freedom, liberty for the rate payer to actually decide what energy source they want to go with? >> reporter: she also argues it's a matter of energy security because solar panels, particularly ones that are installed on home, decentralize the grid and make it less vulnerable to terrorist or hacker attack, gregg. gregg: john, what do the environmentalists think about the marriage? >> reporter: i'll tell you, they are happy to have it, gregg. anything that helps them promote alternative sources of energy. the sierra club did admit to me that there is a whole lot they disagree with the tea party patriots on, but say when they get together, they leave all of that outside the room. >> you would think it would be a strange bed fellows scenario, but, you know, i see no reason why conservation can't be a conservative principle and likewise that open and fair markets that empower consumers and empower american workers
can't be a principle of clean energy advocates like the sierra club. >> reporter: it's like dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria. as for georgia power, they say that they are doing a good job, adding a whole lot of solar to their power portfolio though they were forced to do it and welcome any new ideas that the green tea coalition might have for them. but they do not appear very eager, at least not right now, gregg, to give up that monopoly as the sole provider of electricity in the state of georgia. gregg: they're just sort of living together, you know? a trial run. >> reporter: it's working for now. [laughter] gregg: all right. great job, john roberts, as always. thanks. jenna: well, "happening now," a battle on capitol hill to cut abuse in the food stamp program by closing some loopholes. that's what the republicans say they're doing with their bill, but democrats say cutting funding for food stamps is taking support from those that need it. nearly 48 million americans are signed up for food stamp, one out of seven of us.
and while we've certainly documented the abuses of the system, gregg has his favorite, the surfer dude, you know, the fact is there's also a lot of families that truly need help and are dependent on this program as well. so for the past week, a millionaire has been living on a food stamp budget spending no more than $4.50 a day on food to see what it's like. what is it really like? ron is the founder and ceo of panera bread. ron, nice to have you on the program. >> good morning, jenna, how are you? jenna: i'm great. the food stamp issue is politically loaded, and i'm just curious, you know, what were your motivations for doing this? did you have a political point you were trying to provesome. >> well, the truth is, we've been working in the hunger space for the better part of a decade and a half. we contribute $100-$150 million of product every single year to food banks around the country. we created these cafés of shared
responsibility where people can come in, and if they have the need, can eat, and we will take care of them. if they have the means, we ask them to pay it forward and take care of somebody else. they've been a huge success. and i was approached by the folks at feeding america which is the umbrella group for all the food banks in the country and asked if i wanted and was interested in taking the challenge. now, i decided that it was something i wanted to do because i wanted to experience in a very small way because, obviously,st just a simulation -- jenna: sure. >> -- what it feels like to deal with the effect of not having enough food. jenna: here you are the ceo of this big restaurant chain, and food is a big deal in your life, so what was it like? i mean, how did you do it? >> well, it's interesting, jenna, it actually became a bigger deal. you know, we in our normal lives, many of us -- i did, for sure -- took food for granted. so in the morning i take my kids to school, i'd stop and get
something, i'd be in the office, we'd grab a sandwich. in the evening we ate where we wanted. the reality is living on food stamps meant that food be dominated my life. what it meant was that when i went to the grocery store at the beginning of the experience, i had to figure out how to buy my week's groceries for $25. i got to the counter and had to leave the milk behind because i didn't have enough money. i had to figure out what i was going to eat each night. what it ultimately meant is this became a major issue in my life and i can't imagine what it would be like both working, or studying, or trying to maintain myself if i were living in these kinds of conditions. it is really hard. jenna: i was reading your blog. there was a couple really interesting anecdotes including snapping at your wife a little bit you had too much pasta because they were worried about running out later in the week. we want to show viewers your aggressive list, you depended a lot on carbohydrates and lentils
and chick peace. you did leave the milk. that is one of decisions you regretted, taking milk and not trading it out. i misstated something earlier. you actually have 1800, not 800 stores. 1800 stores nationwide. your company is worth more than $5 billion. we don't often have a ceo on our show that run as company that is worth as much. i'm curious, based on what your experience was over the last week, how would you, what do you think is key to runing a successful food stamp program? because we don't want to leave people that are in need without anything but we also don't want abuses in the system. what do you think is the solution? >> well you know, i think, listen, i think it starts with asking a question and that is the question of, what kind of society we want. i mean reality is, in any large-scale program there are people that game it. surfer dude undoubtedly is gaming it. there are any number of people
that game it and figure out how to take advantage. the truth is also, there are 10 of millions of people of our fellow citizens in real pain. we're talking about one in six families, we're talking about one if four children. these are massive numbers of our own citizens. i think each of us as individuals, each of us as business people, as citizens, have to ask ourselves this question. what kind of society do we want? what are our priorities? and how do we feel when our fellow citizens, many of them are going to bed at night unable to eat? what does it do to this society? jenna: what do you think it does? >> i actually think it has major negative impact. i don't think it is good. it is very difficult to be a productive member of the society when i can't eat. you know, the part that's been most interesting to me, has not been my diet. it has been the hundreds, if not thousands of letters i received, emails from people who talk to me about their own experiences. some of them touch home.
i heard from a gentleman been at hp defend five years. lost his job and was now on snap. i heard from a woman who said to me, one thing when you don't have enough food for yourself, but what do you say to the children when they come home from school and no food for a snack and no food for dinner. what about elderly folks? we worked hard. we don't have nothing. we don't have the ability to eat. the question, what do you say to those folks and what do -- jenna: i want to tell our viewers because we're up against a commercial break a lot of great stories you tell on their blog and can check that out through linkedin. final question, ron. i know you're this big ceo and you run a successful company but did you ever think about getting involved politically? ever think about doing more that way? >> you know this is, for me panera is my work of art. i love makeing a difference through businesses one way in our society that you can really make a difference and for me this is a great place. jenna: i was just curious.
very interesting plan you have too where you do your own restaurants that support people that need a bite to eat. some interesting stories from that. ron, i hope you come back to the program. nice to talk to you. i know you're busy. nice to have you. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. gregg: wow, what a story. interesting. interesting. anecdotes of what he went through, yeah. jenna: well i think that, you have to, i really encourage people to check out the blog because not only snapping at his wife but a couple other things that came in just watching the clock. wondering how he would plan his meals and what he was going to eat. something really to take in. something to consider in the whole debate as we're having it, considering all sides. gregg: absolutely. good idea. media under scrutiny right now following the tragic shootings at the navy yard in washington. the rush to debate america's gun laws even while police had an active crime scene. wisest kid in the whole world?
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coal-fired power industry and perhaps natural gas plants of the future. it would require all future power plants meet a new limit of only 1100-pound of carbon dioxide pure megawatt hour. mccarthy believes that is achievable. >> so the single largest source of carbon pollution, new power plants, both natural pass and coal-fired, can minimize their carbon emissions by taking advantage of available modern technology. >> reporter: but the coal industry says that's an impossible standard because the tech log to capture and star carbon in the ground as would be required is not commercially feasible. mccarthy's announcement met with an avalanche of criticism from industry, business and manufacturing groups as well as republican opponents. senator john barrasso's statement typical of the kind of criticism we're seeing. quoting now, sacrificing more and more coal jobs as offering to environmental ex-treatmentists what they admit will have no impact on the
climate is politics at its worse. indeed even environmentalists including mccarthy admit all coal-fired power plants would be shuttered in the u.s. it would have negligible effect on global co of 2 emissions as one west virginia congressman told mccarthy last wednesday. >> according to the united nations and ipcc this would reduce the co 2 levels of globe by merely .2 of 1% by ridding all coal-fired generating power in the united states. >> reporter: president obama has given the epa until next summer to propose yet a different rule controlling heat-trapping pollution at existing power plants. that is the next step. jenna. jenna: we'll watch that, doug. thank you. gregg: right now the mainstream media is coming under some examination in the wake of the deadly shooting rampage at washington's navy yard on monday. a swarm of reporters and cameras seem to vanish pretty quickly, they moved on in a day or two
time, a lot faster than other similar tragedies. why is that? kirsten powers joins us, "daily beast" columnist. lauren ashburn, editor-in-chief of the daily download. both are fox news contributors. good to see you both. what got us thinking was this article or column by paul farhy in "the washington post", opposed the question not only why the media moved on but why the american public seemed to move on and we could see that with ratings. kirsten, why do you think that is? >> i don't really know. it is something i have thought about a couple days ago, realizing it wasn't getting quite the coverage it has in the past. it is possible, you know, paul farhy went through all the different reasons made each of the past tragedies newsworthy, whether involved children or movie theater and makes everybody feel like it could affect them. at the same time i feel there was a time when something like this happened it really would have dominated our news.
i do wonder if it isn't coming too routine. that people are almost numb to the idea this is what our society is like now, that people just show up and shoot people? that is the best theory i can come up with. gregg: what about that, lauren? there have been, and our brain room looked this up, 19 mass shootings since president obama took office. i wonder if we've reached some sort of saturation threshold level where, you know, we're immune or even desensitized to what's happening? >> well, i think, in part that's true but there's another interesting angle to this and that is the mental health angle. did you know that according to the national inches taught of mental health that one in four adults have been diagnosed each year with mental health disorders? and in the military it is active duty troops, 65% of active duty troops, there has been increase since 2000. gregg: yeah. >> so my thinking behind this is that maybe mental health issues
aren't as sexy as other kinds of issues. you can't go, gun control is much more interesting to the public. obviously if there's a terrorist attack, that is much more interesting. as kirsten said if there are children involved but -- gregg: newtown. >> part of me wonders, right. part of me wonders, we know what happened to this guy. we know he was hearing voices. we know he wasn't in, being taken care of in terms of background checks and we moved on. >> sure. and sort of tragically, too recent and often the case of somebody who has mental problems, engaging in acts of mass violence. the other thing is, and the president got a lost criticism for this. while the events were still unfolding, kirsten on monday, he goes out and delivers this preplanned speech which was very, very lengthy and just a
slice of it really was about what was still going on, and let me play a clip of it. it is not the full remarks what the president said about the shipyard shooting but here's part of it. >> obviously we're going to be investigating thoroughly what happened as we do so many of these shootings sadly that have happened and do everything that we can to try to prevent them. now, in recent weeks much of our attention has been focused on the events in syria. gregg: then he talked at great length about syria, economy, health care and gave a partisan tongue lashing to republicans. do the media sort of take their cue from the president? he moved on pretty quickly. the american public, do they take their cue that way too? >> i don't think that has anything to do with it. and also if you look at the full transcript of the speech he said quite a bit more about the
shooting. gregg: he did. >> based on what they knew at that time. at that time i don't think they even knew one more person was being killed the shooter -- gregg: i was anchoring at the time. there was reported there were many, many deaths and still unfolding. >> it was still unfolding and they didn't really know what had happened and i did talk i thought quite moving, these are patriots. this is an attack on our military workers and then he moved on. i guess he could have scrapped the event. i mean i felt like what he said was appropriate but maybe they should have scrapped the event once they saw this was unfolding. gregg: after newtown of course there was a tremendous effort, especially by the president to change gun laws, lauren. no such effort now. is that simply because he lost on capitol hill? >> that's exactly right. i think he fought that battle. and he is on to fight another battle, obamacare. and we just saw that the, you know, that the house passed the resolution and so i think he
knows that he is not going to win that fight. gregg: right. >> and therefore he doesn't address it. and, you know, when it comes to gun control issues, there weren't a lot of people in, during this time who kept that alive. bill o'reilly last night was still talking about it. and he was talking about it the night before. but it didn't catch on, possibly because it was only a rifle? i don't know. gregg: all right. lauren ashburn, kirsten powers, good to see you both. thanks for your thoughts on this. >> thank you. jenna: new guidelines may help save the lives of many americans needing chemotherapy. i really want to emphasize the may. these are new studies and we're not really sure they can be applied to everyone that has cancer. we'll get the facts on this. dr. samadi is joining us and our medical a-team will weigh in what you should know or what your family members should know going through cancer treatment.
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jenna: brand new guidelines for doctors treating cancer patients with chemotherapy. in many cases doctors have been treating patients based on their ideal weight. as a result many obese patients were not geting a big enough dose, lowering their chance of survival. now with a lot of studies doctors are being told to give a patient a dosage based on actual weight. there is debate about this. we have dr. samadi, chair of oncology at lennox hill hospital. 35% of those over the age of 20 are obese. it's a big group of people. so, what does this mean? for all this time, if you were overweight, were you getting the wrong dose of chemotherapy? >> well it is a very good discussion and american society of clinical oncology came up with the fact we should use the right weight, the actual weight,
not the ideal weight. jenna: why were people doing the ideal weight? >> that is the way the surveys and studies were done. you try to give less chemo in order to avoid side-effects. you may two to three different centers. while they may all have guide lines and right dose, some may give you less, or more depending on the way you react and side-effects. i think it is important to talk to your doctor to find out what kind of chemo you're getting, what kind of dosage, et cetera. the point you're bring something absolutely valid. it is not 35%. it is 60% of obesity and overweight, absolutely. so the numbers are a lot more. jenna: what should we do then? should this be applied to other medicine? i was thinking about, i know chemotherapy is different than what you get on a store shelf obviously, but, you know, i've taken the same dose as my husband when geting a flu shot. we're different weights. we're taking same dose of a leave if we need that. how far should we take this when
you look at weight and potential treatment, whatever the medicine? >> well that is the art of medicine and you should individualize medicine. when you talk to five different patients one size fit all is not going to work. some may have different side-effects. some may be actually able to take it. the message is to try to push the patient to give them the appropriate dose. if you give 20% less than that dose, you may have almost 50% of your patients may have absolutely no benefit from it. think about this. if we bring in a little list than the actual dose, half of the patients may be thinking they're getting right chemo but they will not get any benefits. jenna: that is scary. what should you do if you're a patient? what happens if you're 20 pounds overweight? you don't consider yourself obese. what should you ask your doctor? >> have a healthy discussion with the doctor. explain what kind of chemotherapy am i geting? do i get a full dose? based on my actual weight? you have side-effects nausea and vomiting hair loss.
we can take care of nausea and vomiting but cancer you want to go after. have that discussion with the doctor. 40% of the this study they were getting actually based on ideal weight, not actual weight. i emphasize that healthy discussion is extremely important. jenna: i have only 30 seconds, does this apply to radiation as well the other treatment for cancer? >> radiation is different. i'm not a huge fan of radiation. you may also get a different dose of radiation. that is when side-effect kicks in with a high dose. that is what you need to do in order to kill cancer. i think healthy discussion, getting second opinion. fighting out from different places that is a healthy discussion. cancer is the biggest enemy. you want to make sure you get the highest dose with the lowest side-effects that individualized care is the art of medicine. talk to a real doctor. jenna: it really is an art. dr. samadi, thank you very much. >> nice to see you. thank you, jenna. jenna: coming up one charity near and dear to my heart and it
gregg: right now the death toll is climbing to at least 97 in mexico after powerful weekend storms triggered widespread flooding and land slides on the country's pacific coastlines. authorities say 10 of thousands of homes were damaged or destroyed. key bridges and highways including the main road that links acapulco with mexico city, all of them are closed. officials are searching for a police helicopter carrying relief supplies. that one has been missing since yesterday. so, you know, we've been talking so much about the devastation and flooding and damage and lives lost in colorado. , mexico really getting hit hard. jenna: unbelievable pictures
there had no idea. we'll have to keep an eye on that story. want to turn to something of a little bit of a lighter note. there is a chatter very close to my heart. it is called the little warriors, brian bill project. this provides adventures of navy seals who are growing up without a dad. the charity is honor of brian bill. that is him on the screen. he was killed in action in afghanistan, in 2011, august of 2011. he was always around for families if something happened to their teammates this is in his honor. his sister amy and you see her in the screen and her husband chad. they have two little kids and one on the way. they decided this charity would be their mission. they take them on adventures like fly fishing and mountaineering. they had a big event with great success. i want to flag it. all the proceeds go to the little warriors and help these kids go on adventures they would
go on with their dads. there is my husband. is he is on the far right. brian was one much his good friends the. gregg: what a great idea. so sensational, to think about the children, because they're the ones who are so traumatized by all of this. of course other family members as well. how do you explain that to little kids? jenna: when you're fishing or out there you can start talking about the stories, right, about what it was like what did you do, learn a little bit what the seals are and so that is the website, navyseallittle spywarriors. org. gregg: how did you get involved. ryan bill was your friend of your husbands? jenna: unfortunately he deployed to the afghanistan and was in the helicopter where some navy seals lost their lives. so that is a special connection. wanted to share it with you, we'll be back with more we'll be back with more "happening now." yo, yo, yo. aflac. wow.
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